Subject: Money or Pleasure?
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Не моя ветка, но зачитываюсь - спасибо, что, как кажется, пишете от души. Хуже нет, когда видишь ответы типа 'I am all right, Jack' на наболевшие вопросы людей. И супер, что без ругани! |
Re.:Sjoe, the gist of my answer, stripped of any personal details, Must of missed it. Sorry man. Thanx now. Re.: If you can settle for less than what you're earning now [by decreasing your work volume as a freelancer], do it - you'll feel better. Depends on what you call "settle" and how "less." I began free lancing full time in the early 1980's and was what you'd call мужчина-lite, in terms of dough and in quite a few other respects - the typical unhappy 30+ year old hollow-eyed sovok-размазня standing in those damned lines for everything. I'll hang first that settle for THAT ever again. Re. If you can't, how will you survive on the significantly lower salary that comes with the in-house job you're considering? Again, why do you guys think all that in-housers are worse off by definition? Don't tell me there are exceptions. There's employers galore that shell out 6o grand a year. You need only find and persuade them to hire you. Re. I hope you do catch my drift now. Half. Re. I do have a part-time in-house job that is almost completely unregulated, both in terms of time and effort - unregulated meaning I can come and go as I please and reject work assignments if I don't feel like doing them. Sounds like a great place. :) Will they keep you through that recession? Re. But jobs like that are hard to come by. Conceded. Freelancing, however, if done right, Done right! Here's where's the snag. You are your own Marketing, your own Orders & Customer Care, and your own manager (but NOT boss, mind you). You may be a true pro language practitioner, but you may remain a damn bloody amateur in those three depts. Whence your problems. OK, any free lance’s. You got to learn that somewhere on a pro basis. Concede? Re. does make you free - even if you get there through trial and error, and some failures along the way. Right. Before you have trodden on a truckload of rakes. Thanks :) Been there, seen that :) |
RE: Again, why do you guys think all that in-housers are worse off by definition? Don't tell me there are exceptions. I was going on the OP's assumption: "to be on the staff (a job which gives you more pleasure and spare time but twice less money)". I'm not saying *every* in-house job pays less than freelancing. There are many variables and just as many ifs and buts. But the OP specified that the job paid half of what she's making now as a freelancer. I made it my assumption as well. Besides, experience shows the numbers are roughly the same world-wide. RE: Depends on what you call "settle" and how "less." She's considering a half-the-income salary-based job - that's how "less" :) THE alternative to that is staying a freelancer and keeping half the income by reducing the volume by half -- or even more, because she can choose the better-paying, less stressful jobs out of all the ones she has now. That's what I'm really proposing. |
First thing, why don’t you sleep, Mike? Second. "I was going on the OP's assumption" Assumption? A propos, I wonder exactly what pleasure (or more of it) may be on staff? More hours of jabber on fashions between coffee breaks? (YOU know the type, dontcha?) On with it. You: "There are many variables and just as many ifs and buts. On the face of it, right. But go deeper and you'd see very plain, basic things. Like I said, I have been in both genders in language practice and got the best (and the worst) of the two worlds. :) Re. "But the OP specified that the job paid half of what she's making now as a freelancer". Re. "Besides, experience shows the numbers are roughly the same world-wide" Re.: She's considering a half-the-income salary-based job - that's how "less" :) THE alternative to that is staying a freelancer and keeping half the income by reducing the volume by half -- or even more, because she can choose the better-paying, less stressful jobs out of all the ones she has now. That's what I'm really proposing. Point taken. The question is if she manages THE alternative. I'm free of that scare now. FREE, Mike, sabe? |
What can I say? I keep a weird schedule. I don't know if the OP had a specific job in mind, but she did outline the choices. I felt bound by them. I know the real world offers a lot more than that, i.e. an in-house job CAN be a lot more rewarding AND and a lot better paying than the freelancer's fare, BUT it can also offer a lot less of both. If she wants to keep looking, good for her. Like I said, there are many variables. I was only going on the assumption she provided, hypothetical or not. RE: "The thought he'd write me off one day and I'd end up with couple of shitty publishers scared shit out of me." You're not saying you had just 1 good client, are you? I have at least 5 good customers I can rely on to provide adequate monthly income. If any one of them doesn't come through, I'm actually happy because it means my workload will be *doable* and I won't have to outsource any of it. If two of them stay silent, I'm just as happy. If three of them keep quiet, I enjoy the time off. Other random clients always pop up anyway. If four of them stop sending me jobs, I get busy doing other things that always nag at me anyway (you know, family stuff, self-improvement, self-marketing, and things like that). If none of them send any jobs... well, that has never happened to me. |
Re. "You're not saying you had just 1 good client, are you?" A few. Remember those V/O Shitimport, VAO Pissexport and their likes? As clients, they were HIDEOUSLY irregular and damn demanding in terms of time. They paid enough to pick up tabs for almost daily lunches in Moscow’s only 'Chinese' restaurant ("Пекин" на Маяковке) and return cab fares. My wife shopped in line-free markets. No brag, mark you. It was scarcity time when you didnt know what to do with your EARNED money, remember? Yep I saved a bit a bought the largest available 3-room 'cooperative'. (No mortgages then, of course). Yet I feared to lose any one of those bullshitters. |
Harry Johnson wrote: "My son wanted to play with me" Man, if you carry on like that, you are in for trouble. So may I offer a piece of advice - with the full benefit of hindsight? Do like this. A soon (I MEAN "soon," make it Tuesday of next Saturday at the latest) as you are done with the job, pull your kid aside, show him as a furtive pack of crackly hundreds, and whisper you earned that over last (i.e. this) weekend. Then go both to a toy store and buy him his pick. Think ahead how much you can afford. |
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link 22.02.2009 9:56 |
SR & Sjoe! I do appreciate the pieces of advice given. (Especially the last one connected with housework :) ("AND, of course, do a spot of washing up, dusting, cooking, cleaning, whatever.") They are really helpful. I'd take good note of them. "This is the time of all times When man should be compelled to choose To choose between good and evil.... The time has come To live our fathers' teaching" © |
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link 22.02.2009 10:11 |
Shame on me! I remember me sitting in front of my PC translating while my wife was doing some vacuum-cleaning around me... (( But... As I'm often at home during the day, I cook dinner for all my family so that my wife could come home and have a rest instead of getting down to cooking for her 'such-a-busy' husband. As for my son I do play with him, but at the same time I must admit that it happens not so often :( |
Re. "As for my son I do play with him". Don't apologize, bud.:) Just DON'T frustrate the kid. Kids just CAN'T be reasonable. (Neither can women, for that matter). :P |
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link 22.02.2009 10:27 |
I'm more likely to justify myself than apologize - God damn habit which has remained since my childhood... |
Dear Men-freelancers! :) Take my sincere congratulations with Country Defender's Day! Sitting in front of monitors you do your best not only to defend your countries from incompehension barrier, but also to connect them in linguistic aspect. :) Let your working days and nights give you more pleasure than money, more satisfaction than troubles, more "intellectual prosperity" than "mental fatique". Let your hard work never be the barrier but assistance to your family happiness! To Sir Real: |
Ta sis (though I have no country to defend) :) ЗЫ I love Belarus, y'know ;) |
To Sjoe!: А что такое Ta sis? :) "(though I have no country to defend)" What do you love Belarus for? Just a pure interest...:) |
"Thanks, sister." Re.: What do you love Belarus for? Just a pure interest...:) It's women, sis, always women... :) Btw, speaking of your free lance workload--have you ever tried to go patners? Teamwork pays sometime. It did in my recent past. Lots of benefits. |
...By the way, it is this very country where I can't find more or less suitable job and have to work as a freelancer which makes me feel distressed and depressed. |
Point taken. I your shoes now, I'd stay free lance and learn to say No to overflow. SirReal got it right. Learn to manage your orders. |
Yes I've tried. In my case it did't cause a lot benefits. More troubles, I would say, but it's a long story... Anyway, I've come to a decision to find a staff job. No success yet... But I consider some variants at the moment. |
Time will show - to be a freelancer or not to be. |
Tried what? Partnering? Dont resitrict yourself to Brest (or Belarus for that matter). There are Russia, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan (all represented here, btw). Partner online. I, for one, partner across Euruasia and Pacific. |
I' ll think about it - honestly. :) Thanks for precious advice and involvement in the problem! I appreciate your concern. It was useful for me and helped a lot. |
Euruasia and Pacific - sounds terrific! :) |
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link 23.02.2009 13:57 |
До чего бездарная ветка! Сплошной рунглиш |
До чего бездарная ветка! Сплошной рунглиш Для кого бездарная, а для кого и очень даже "дарная"! |
2Serendipitous Если в моих постах найдете рунглиш, сильно зауважаю. |
Mike... summuns kiddin' Да уш да... Верхужек однех понафатались, вот и выёживаемся... Re. " ll think about it - honestly. :)" Please do. Give it a THIRD thought too, before you commit. |
2Sjoe! Пренепременно! I am a great constructive thinker. :))) |
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link 23.02.2009 14:23 |
Voila, SirReal, to start with - how "less." |
...конструктивный думальщик, то бишь. Раз уж сплошной рунглиш тут у нас... :) |
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link 23.02.2009 14:26 |
how "less." And what is wrong about it? |
2Serendipitous Doesn't count - I was copying Sjoe. Try harder please. |
Нинида суетиzza (c) Obiter Dcitum 2000 Под одноразовым ником можно брякать все, что угодно, не отвечая за базар. Мы не так сделаем. Serendipitous... Перепишите в ЭТОЙ же ветке мои (Sjoe!) рунглийские посты на "английском" английском". Наши коллеги их тут... заценят. И если ваша правка (evident typos, типа "that" вместо "than" excluded) будет принята, я заплачу вам деньги. Идет? SR, you on? :) |