Subject: whose + неодушевлен сущ gen. Уважаемые переводчики почему сейчас так распространено употреблять whose c неодуш.существ?вот например предложение из текста договора английской компании The Buyer undertakes to purchase goods whose cost is less than.... Это правильно?? |
Погуглите англоязычные обсуждения по этому вопросу. Что-то я читала, но уже забыла. Кто-то за, кто-то против whose с неодушевленными существительными. Аргументов не помню) |
да, "по сложившейся практике" это нормально. из "приличных источников" - навскидку этот. http://books.google.by/books?id=anecAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA2027&lpg=PA2027&dq=relative+Possessive+determiner+of+whom+or+which+(used+to+indicate+that+the+following+noun+belongs+to+or+is+associated+with+the+person+or+thing+mentioned+in+the+previous+clause)&source=bl&ots=TZjydppHDO&sig=TaC9TXxaUB_oVVKZB0ytNQ1D3e0&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false *relative Possessive determiner of whom or which (used to indicate that the following noun belongs to or is associated with the person or thing mentioned in the previous clause)* |
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link 4.10.2016 20:30 |
It's used with inanimates as well as animates only because no word exists in English which is the inanimate equivalent of the animate 'whose'; the only construction we have for inanimates is this: animate: 'The woman WHOSE glasses are too big' Most people find the construction 'the ...... of which' too wordy, so as no-one's yet invented a word such as 'whatse', we cheat by using the animate 'whose' instead: 'the house WHOSE windows are too big'. That's the only reason. If it helps, lots of English people think it sounds slightly odd too. Perhaps I should invent and patent the word 'whatse' and make myself very rich...? |
My rule number 634: If something is grammatically acceptable but sounds odd - do not use it. Instead of ''the house WHOSE windows are too big." you always can write "the house that has too big windows". |
whose with inanimate objects - ЭТО НОРМА! |
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link 4.10.2016 23:49 |
Amor 71: No, it's common practice to use 'whose' with objects, even if it does sound slightly odd. You can say 'the house that has too big windows', but it sounds even more odd, at least to me as a Brit. You can get round the problem in your example by saying something like 'the house that has windows that are too big', but it's a mouthful, which is why lots of people just use 'whose'. The BBC uses it: and Collins' English Dictionary defines it as: If it's good enough for Collins and the BBC, it's good enough for me. It may not sound ideal to linguists/grammarians like you and me, but everyone else uses it -- because there's no other single word they can use. |
johnstephenson, I do not disagree with you. My rule is for me. Even something is perfectly normal and I know that, but it sounds funny to me, I would not use it. The same is true when I write in Russian. Yes, I am convinced now, that "whose" is OK with inanimate but I still would not use it. At least for a while. |
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link 5.10.2016 0:47 |
Amor: I also don't particularly like using it and will sometimes try to think of an alternative (short) construction, but usually there isn't one, unfortunately. |
re Instead of ''the house WHOSE windows are too big." you always can write "the house that has too big windows". Роман, на сей раз все-таки сдержусь в выражениях и буду учтив. но строг, как всегда. нельзя сказать "the house that has too big windows". это неграмотно. я понимаю, Вы ненарочно. и, к Вашей вести, я заметил, что Вы стали реже претендовать на "нативность" и истину в последней инстанции в том, что касается США и тамошнего варианта английского. продолжайте в том же духе. the sky is the limit. |
опечатка, вышенаписанное следует читать как "к Вашей чести" |
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link 5.10.2016 19:58 |
SirReal: I'm quite happy for Amor (or anyone else) to challenge what I say and disagree with me. It's a discussion forum, after all.... |
22:58 +1 i am, too, quite happy for SirReal to challenge what Amor (or anyone else) says and to disagree with them |
wow2 do feel free to ping me if a thread on this forum needs my input. |
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